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		<title>AI Abundance, Part 4: The Clarity Act And The Stablecoin Wars</title>
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			<p style="text-align: left;"><strong>ELLEN BROWN</strong><br />
June 26 2026</p>
<p>As Americans prepare to celebrate the 250th anniversary of the Declaration of Independence, few are paying attention to a bill moving through Congress that could seriously impinge on our financial independence.<span id="more-35679"></span></p>
<p style="text-align: left;">The Clarity for Payment Stablecoins Act, <a href="https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/118/hr4766/text">H.R. 4766</a>, is slated to make privately issued stablecoins a major component of the U.S. monetary system. Supporters see stablecoins as a way to strengthen the dollar’s global role while creating a vast new market for U.S. Treasury securities. Critics see the rise of programmable private money that can be monitored, frozen, or restricted by its issuers. Banks fear the loss of the deposits that are essential to advancing affordable credit. What appears to be a debate about digital tokens has thus become a battle over the future of banking itself and finance.</p>

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			<h3 style="text-align: left;"><strong>Why Stablecoins Matter.</strong></h3>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph" style="text-align: left;">Stablecoins are privately issued digital tokens that can circulate on blockchain networks independently of the banking system. They are designed to maintain a stable value, typically one dollar per token. Unlike Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies, whose values fluctuate wildly, stablecoins are usually backed by reserve assets such as cash and short-term U.S. Treasury securities.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">Their growth has been explosive. The stablecoin market now measures in the hundreds of billions of dollars and continues to expand rapidly. Advocates see them as the next stage in the evolution of money: faster, cheaper, available around the clock, and capable of moving across borders without relying on traditional banking networks.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">For users in countries suffering from inflation, currency controls, or banking instability, dollar-denominated stablecoins can function as digital dollar savings accounts. Residents of Argentina, Turkey, Nigeria, and other countries may <a href="https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=6304019">trust a Treasury-backed dollar</a> token more than their own national currency. In some countries suffering from inflation, merchants quote prices in dollar stablecoins and accept them directly through mobile apps.</p>

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			<h3 class="wp-block-paragraph" style="text-align: left;"><strong>The Push from Cryptocurrency Advocates: Ending “Regulation by Enforcement”.</strong></h3>
<p style="text-align: left;">The <a href="https://www.swlaw.com/publication/crypto-finally-gets-its-rulebook-landmark-sec-cftc-guidance-arrives/">stated goal</a> of the CLARITY Act is to establish a statutory framework that clarifies whether digital assets are securities, commodities, or payment stablecoins. Before this legislation, regulators—primarily the SEC—often applied decades-old laws to modern blockchain technology. Because the rules weren’t explicitly written for crypto, companies would discover they were in violation only when they were served with a lawsuit or a fine.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">The most prominent example is <em>SEC vs. Ripple Labs</em>. Ripple launched its XRP token in 2012 and operated for nearly a decade without specific guidance that its token was considered a security. In 2020, <a href="https://www.sec.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2020-338">the SEC sued Ripple</a>, alleging they had been selling unregistered securities for years. Ripple was forced into years of litigation and hundreds of millions in legal fees to determine if a rule applied to them retroactively.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">The CLARITY Act, alongside the GENIUS Act (which focuses on stablecoins), represents a shift from “Regulation by Enforcement” to “Regulation by Guidance,” where <a href="https://mco.mycomplianceoffice.com/blog/how-the-genius-act-and-clarity-act-will-change-compliance-requirements">firms have a clear rulebook</a> to follow before they launch products rather than waiting for a subpoena to understand their legal status.</p>

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			<h3 style="text-align: left;"><strong>The Government’s Interest.</strong></h3>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph" style="text-align: left;">he push for passage of the Clarity Act has come not only from crypto advocates but from policymakers, because every stablecoin backed by Treasury securities creates another buyer for U.S. government debt. Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent has embraced stablecoins as a means of strengthening the dollar’s global role. The Treasury Department projects that the stablecoin market could eventually <a href="https://finance.yahoo.com/markets/crypto/articles/fidelity-moves-manage-stablecoin-reserves-133700541.html">reach trillions of dollars</a>. If that happens, stablecoin issuers could become some of the largest buyers of Treasury bills in the world, helping to replace losses from those central banks that have been “de-dollarizing” by selling their reserves of U.S. debt.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">Another advantage of stablecoins from the government’s perspective is their ability to reassert U.S. monetary <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vEToRDT-fE">sovereignty over the eurodollar market</a> — the massive, offshore market where dollars are created through bank lending without direct oversight from the Fed. This is a complicated subject for a later article, but the bottom line is that by shifting global demand from uncollateralized eurodollar bank promises to tokens backed 1 to 1 by U.S. Treasuries, stablecoins effectively force privately-issued offshore dollars back onto the U.S. government’s balance sheet.</p>

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			<h3 style="text-align: left;"><strong>Promise or Threat? </strong></h3>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph" style="text-align: left;">Those are some of the upsides, but stablecoins are not neutral payment tokens. Part 3 of this series discussed Project Hamilton, which showed what a public digital dollar could look like — fast, privacy-protected and democratic. The stablecoin system rising in its place looks very different. It is private, not public; programmable, not cash-like; surveilled, not anonymous.</p>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph" style="text-align: left;">Every stablecoin transaction is permanently recorded on a public blockchain. Tokens can be frozen, seized, or destroyed. Users can be blocked. Circle (USDC) maintains a blacklist function and <a href="https://www.bitget.com/asia/news/detail/12560605436010">has frozen</a> addresses at the request of law enforcement or at its own discretion. Tether (USDT) has <a href="https://yellow.com/news/tether-tron-freeze-usdt-enforcement-action">frozen billions</a> of dollars’ worth of tokens across thousands of addresses. PayPal’s PYUSD includes <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/16rtoo6/paypal_can_freeze_your_crypto_assets/?solution=cc2ac96fd8527f63cc2ac96fd8527f63&amp;js_challenge=1&amp;token=7afd7253fec22262ff1c52b1703fe9ec190ec4902287427947806d4fec550108&amp;jsc_orig_r=">explicit “freeze” and “wipe” functions</a> in its smart-contract code.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">This is the sort of “programmability” that CBDC critics fear – the ability to embed code into the money itself, causing it to execute transactions automatically when specific conditions are met. In fact, stablecoins could potentially be more invasive than a CBDC, since private issuers are not subject to the constitutional obligations imposed on the U.S. government by the 4<sup>th</sup> and 5<sup>th</sup> Amendments. In <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMzPU7Bp9B0">a June 23, 2026 podcast</a>, Catherine Austin Fitts, former Assistant Secretary of Housing and Urban Development, called stablecoins “much more terrifying than CBDCs because you have complete non-accountability.” Private stablecoins operate via private contracts and “terms of service” that often bypass traditional due process. They can embed algorithmic terms that are enforced automatically, without recourse to a court or even a human teller.</p>

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			<h3 style="text-align: left;"><strong>A Digital Gold Mine for Issuers.</strong></h3>
<p style="text-align: left;">Under the Guiding and Establishing National Innovation for U.S. Stablecoins Act (<a href="https://www.congress.gov/119/plaws/publ27/PLAW-119publ27.pdf">GENIUS Act</a>), passed in July 2025, stablecoins must be backed 1 to 1 with dollar collateral. That collateral can take various forms, but stablecoin issuers typically maintain their reserves in highly liquid, short-term instruments—primarily 3-month U.S. Treasury Bills—to ensure they can satisfy redemptions quickly. As of June 18, 2026, the <a href="about:blank">3-month Treasury yield is 3.83%</a> (down from 5%+ in 2024-25).</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">Stablecoin issuers make huge profits under this arrangement. The issuer sells stablecoins, uses the proceeds to buy Treasuries, and keeps the interest. Tether, the largest stablecoin issuer, has achieved a market cap of $120 billion with a staff of only about 50 employees. It reported a record-breaking <a href="https://info.arkm.com/research/tether-6-billion">net profit of $6.2 billion </a>for the full year of 2023, and quarterly profits reaching <a href="https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-05-01/tether-says-profit-rose-to-a-record-during-the-first-quarter">$4.52 billion in Q1 2024 alone</a>. A significant portion of this income is derived from its massive holdings of U.S. Treasuries, estimated at over $100 billion.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">Particularly controversial are the stablecoin and crypto businesses of the president’s own family, and the <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZjbCqDrimA">potential conflicts of interest</a>involved.</p>

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			<h3 style="text-align: left;"><strong>Who Should Receive the Interest – Private Middlemen or the Public?</strong></h3>
<p style="text-align: left;">Cornell Law professor Robert Hockett proposes a different model. He suggests that TreasuryDirect accounts could function as digital wallets, allowing individuals to hold Treasury-backed digital dollars directly and receive the Treasury yield themselves rather than through private intermediaries.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">It is a promising idea, but it would require major changes to the existing financial architecture to preserve the credit system now managed by the banks. For more on Prof. Hockett’s proposals, see <a href="https://scholarship.law.ufl.edu/jtlp/vol25/iss1/1/">Digital Greenbacks: A Sequenced ‘Treasury Direct’ and ‘Fed Wallet’ Plan for the Democratic Digital Dollar</a> and <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Citizens-Ledger-Digitizing-Democratizing-Finance/dp/3030995658">The Citizens’ Ledger: Digitizing Our Money, Democratizing Our Finance</a>.</p>

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<p style="text-align: left;">This is also the major concern of the banking establishment with the pending Clarity Act. A provision allowing stablecoin issuers to pay their customers “rewards,” considered the equivalent of yield or interest, could suck away their deposit base. Issuers collecting nearly 4% interest on their Treasuries could pay rewards of 2% or 3% to investors and easily outcompete banks paying 0.1 or 0.2 percent on deposits. Banking-industry estimates of potential deposit flight into stablecoin platforms range from $65 billion to over $1 trillion, with some analysts warning that in a fully developed stablecoin system, <a href="https://research.mental-momentum.ai/r/how-genius-act-affects-stablecoin-yields-5drx82">as much as $6 trillion</a> could migrate out of the banking system.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">But wait: if banks can create deposits on their books just by making loans, as the <a href="https://www.bankofengland.co.uk/quarterly-bulletin/2014/q1/money-creation-in-the-modern-economy">Bank of England has confirmed</a>, why are deposits so important to them?</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">This is another complicated subject for a follow-up article, but the bottom line is that while a bank can create deposits, it <a href="https://fedguy.com/two-tiered-monetary-system/">cannot create the “reserves”</a> necessary to transfer the loaned funds out of the bank. Deposits created when a bank makes a loan are a liability of the bank – its promise to pay on demand. What it pays with are reserves, which only the central bank can issue – either as vault cash (coins and dollar bills) or as digital reserves held in a “master account” at the Fed. The reserves are the payment rails for transferring deposits, and the cheapest way for banks to get them is through deposits transferred from other banks.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">Deposits are thus considered the lifeblood of banks, and we need banks for our credit requirements. Stablecoin issuers don’t create new dollars or extend credit. They just tokenize existing dollars drawn from chartered banks, invest them in government securities, and keep the interest. Banks are the only institutions that create credit for the real economy.</p>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph" style="text-align: left;">If deposits leave the banking system, lending capacity shrinks; and the most vulnerable institutions are the community banks that extend credit to local businesses. Megabanks have other ways to acquire cheap reserves, including the repo market and the Fed discount window. Community banks rely heavily on incoming deposits to provide the reserves to move their loans, and they cannot compete with stablecoins in attracting deposits because they have substantially higher costs than issuers working with algorithms in the cloud.</p>

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			<h3 style="text-align: left;"><strong>Why We Need the Community Banks That Stablecoins Could Undermine.</strong></h3>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph" style="text-align: left;">Richard Werner, Prof. of Economics at the University of Winchester in the UK, <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcAFqcO5ZN8&amp;t=1s">argues</a> that community banks are particularly important for economic growth. Large banks prefer large deals with large customers. A banker can spend time arranging a billion dollar transaction for a hedge fund or private equity firm, or spend the same time processing dozens of small loans to local businesses. Small and medium-sized businesses today account for the majority of jobs; and without community banks, they often struggle to get the financing to adopt new technologies and expand production.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">Werner points to the German model, where small businesses typically work with local community banks, cooperative banks, and savings banks that lend only within their local areas. Because the bank and its customers share the same economic fortunes, the banks have an incentive to support local productive enterprises. When a business identifies a promising investment opportunity, it can present its plan to a local bank that already knows the company and understands the local economy. Funding decisions can sometimes be made within days, allowing firms to adopt new technologies quickly and remain globally competitive.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">The result, he says, is visible in Germany’s remarkable number of “hidden champions”—small and medium-sized firms that nevertheless rank among the top companies in the world within their specialized market niches. Germany’s success, Werner argues, is closely tied to the fact that roughly 80 percent of German banks are small local institutions that lend locally.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">Werner extends the same argument to China. After coming to power in 1978, Deng Xiaoping sought to improve economic performance by decentralizing credit allocation. Rather than relying on a handful of central planners to determine where financing should go, China created thousands of local banks, village banks, cooperative banks, and regional institutions. The result was a vast network of local loan officers making lending decisions based on local knowledge. Werner contrasts “five central bankers” making decisions with “five million loan officers” evaluating opportunities throughout the country. He argues that this decentralized approach played a crucial role in China’s sustained high growth and poverty reduction over the following four decades.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">The same has been true in the United States, which had a record <a href="https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/USNUM">30,456 banks in 1921</a>. Today, however, that number has shrunk to only 9,082 insured financial institutions (banks and credit unions). Small banks have had to merge with much larger banks to stay solvent, largely due to higher regulatory costs and the competitive pressure of the megabanks.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">Werner observes that bank size also affects where credit is directed. A banking sector dominated by a few large institutions tends to channel credit toward financial speculation and large corporate borrowers. A banking system composed of many small local banks tends to channel newly created money toward productive local enterprises. When credit goes into new technologies, equipment, and productive capacity, the result is to increase output, employment, and sustainable economic growth without triggering inflation.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">Werner concludes that if governments want stronger productivity growth, more small-business formation, greater regional prosperity, and less inequality, they need to encourage the creation of local community banks and adopt a lighter regulatory regime for smaller institutions.</p>

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			<h3 style="text-align: left;"><strong>Productivity and the Burgeoning Federal Debt.</strong></h3>
<p style="text-align: left;">Economic growth is also particularly important for dealing with the federal debt. Stablecoins may help finance the debt, but they do not shrink it. They just fill some of the gap left by the People’s Bank of China and other central banks that have been selling U.S. Treasuries. The unsustainable $1.2 trillion interest tab must still be paid and continues on its exponential upward growth trajectory.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">Treasury Secretary <a href="https://x.com/SecScottBessent/status/1925910800394232082?lang=en&amp;utm_source=chatgpt.com">Scott Bessent has argued</a> that the U.S. can “grow our way out of the debt” by increasing production and expanding the economy faster than the debt grows. President Trump has similarly argued that economic growth can reduce the relative burden of the national debt, much as occurred after World War II.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">The federal debt exceeded 100% of GDP at the end of the war. But the debt burden gradually declined as the economy expanded faster than the debt, shrinking the debt-to-GDP ratio. And for that sort of growth in today’s economy, preserving the viability of community banks is essential.</p>

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<p class="wp-block-paragraph" style="text-align: left;">As artificial intelligence and automation replace jobs while dramatically increasing productive capacity, however, policymakers may one day question whether money must be issued against debt at all – or whether some portion of it could be issued directly against the productive capacity of the economy itself.</p>
<p class="wp-block-paragraph" style="text-align: left;">That is not a new idea. In fact it represents a return to our revolutionary roots. It was how the American colonists broke free of the “British system” that exploited the colonies for the production of commodities. Rather than relying on foreign currencies, the American colonial governments paid for goods and services with paper scrip they issued themselves. When the king banned that practice, the colonists rebelled – and they won.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">Abraham Lincoln used the same funding mechanism to avoid usurious interest rates from British-backed banks that would have re-colonized the States by debt. He paid for the Civil War effort and major national infrastructure with government-issued Greenbacks (U.S. Notes).</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">When these government notes exceeded the production of goods and services, the supply and demand curve was skewed toward price inflation. But in a world of AI abundance, the curve will tilt the other way – toward too little money chasing too many goods and services. In an economy of that sort of unprecedented productivity, the government will need to issue new money just to balance the scales. And this money will need to be paid to the consumers who will buy the products, not only to close the wealth gap but to provide the demand to absorb the hyper-abundant supply.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">Thus this series comes full circle, to the need for a “universal high income” or “sovereign wealth dividend” to solve an AI-induced unemployment crisis – and for a government-issued digital currency to fund it, built on the cash-like, privacy-protected model of Project Hamilton and the ECASH Act.</p>

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			<p>Be sure to check Ellen Brown&#8217;s earlier posts here on the <a href="https://parrhesiastes.net/blog-series/ellen-brown-the-ai-abundance-paradigm/"><strong>AI Abundance Paradigm</strong></a>.</p>

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			<p style="text-align: left;">First published on <a href="https://scheerpost.com/2026/06/26/ai-abundance-part-4/">Scheerpost.com</a>.</p>
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<p>The author of <strong><em>The Deficit Myth</em> o</strong>n why national debt is not an obstacle to progress—and why the government can afford to fund its priorities.</p>
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<aside><span class="s1"><a href="https://www.dissentmagazine.org/tag/booked" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><i>Booked</i></a></span><span class="s2"><i> is a series of interviews about new books. For this edition, Mark Levinson spoke with Stephanie Kelton, author of </i><a href="https://www.publicaffairsbooks.com/titles/stephanie-kelton/the-deficit-myth/9781541736184/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><span class="s3">The Deficit Myth: Modern Monetary Theory and the Birth of the People’s Economy</span></a> <i>(Public Affairs).</i></span></aside>
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<p class="p4" style="text-align: left;"><span class="s2"><b>Mark Levinson</b></span><span class="s1"><b>:</b></span><span class="s2"><strong> Stephanie Kelton</strong>’s <i><strong>The Deficit Myth: Modern Monetary Theory and the Birth of the Peoples’ Economy</strong> </i>is a foundational book on economic policy. If we don’t get the issue of the deficit right, we get almost nothing else right. This book couldn’t be timelier. Almost 50 million people have applied for unemployment insurance since the COVID-19 pandemic started. There has been a $3 trillion government response, much of which is expiring. The virus is still spreading in the United States, which will lead to more shutdowns and more unemployment. We are on the verge of catastrophic state and local government cutbacks. And we’re heading into an election where polls indicate that much of the American public believes that we have to address an unsustainable national debt and budget deficit. What does your book have to say to the current moment?</span></p>
<p class="p4" style="text-align: left;"><span class="s2"><b>Stephanie Kelton</b>: You captured the backdrop. Before the coronavirus pandemic, the Congressional Budget Office (CBO) was forecasting deficits in excess of a trillion dollars a year for the foreseeable future. To a lot of people that seemed alarming. Now look where we are. Since March, Congress has committed roughly $3 trillion to deal with the economic fallout related to the pandemic—all of it will add to the deficit—and they’re getting ready to add even more. This is happening on the heels of a Democratic presidential primary, where we spent the better part of a year listening to candidates put forward their agendas and, at every turn, getting dogged by the question, “How are you going to pay for it? Where is the money going to come from?” Every presidential contender—from Bernie Sanders to Amy Klobuchar—bent over backward to show how they would “pay for” their proposals without adding to the deficit. We spent a year arguing about where the money would come from, and then suddenly the world opened to a new reality. The coronavirus came, and Congress started spinning out multi-trillion-dollar spending bills, without any of these so-called “pay fors.” We had to act! And that meant adding to the deficit to fight the pandemic. That’s a perfect entry point for a book like this that speaks to the fears and anxieties that we have about deficit spending and adding to the national debt, both of which we are doing on an almost unprecedented scale right now.</span></p>
<p class="p4" style="text-align: left;"><span class="s2"><b>Levinson</b>: In your book you debunk a number of myths that are associated with the deficit. One widely held belief is that since households have to balance their budgets, so should the government. In 2010—when Democrats controlled the presidency and Congress, and unemployment was almost 10 percent—Barack Obama went on national television and said that, like most American families, the federal government had to tighten its belt. It was a defining moment, and the premature austerity led to an excruciatingly slow economic recovery that probably contributed to Trump’s victory in 2016. Talk about the myth of the government as a household.</span></p>
<p class="p4" style="text-align: left;"><span class="s2"><b>Kelton</b>: </span>I had the same reaction, and I remember the speech. It was the State of the Union address. Even before that speech, in 2009, just shortly after taking office, when we were staring down the worst economic downturn since the Great Depression, [Obama] was asked in an <a href="https://www.businessinsider.com/obama-the-us-government-is-broke-2009-5" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">interview</a>, “At what point do we run out of money?” And he said, “Well, we are out of money now.” That was like a punch in the gut for me. Because I sensed that what we were facing was not a garden-variety economic recession. That this was going to be orders of magnitude more severe, and that what Congress needed to do was step in to provide the fiscal support that was going to be necessary to prevent a very protracted and deep downturn. To hear him use those words was definitely not a good sign.</p>
<p class="p4" style="text-align: left;"><span class="s2">You ask why we analogize the federal government’s finances with personal finances. I think politicians want to be able to communicate with people effectively. And they think that the best way to communicate about complex issues, like the federal government’s finances, is to talk in ways that resonate with us. So, the framing becomes mom and dad at the kitchen table, working to balance the budget; just like you, the federal government needs to start getting its spending in line with its income. You know you can’t spend more than you take in year after year; it’s risky to pile on debt; you can go broke.</span></p>
<p class="p4" style="text-align: left;"><span class="s2"><b>Levinson:</b> Why is that a myth? </span></p>
<p class="p4" style="text-align: left;"><span class="s2"><b>Kelton</b>: </span>The simplest way to say it is that government issues the currency, and households and businesses don’t. If you have the sole legal authority to issue the U.S. dollar—it could only come from you—would you ever worry about running out? Would you ever worry about bills coming due that you couldn’t afford to pay? Would you worry about being forced into bankruptcy? No, you wouldn’t; you’re the issuer of the currency. It’s the rest of us who have to worry. It couldn’t be clearer in this moment what makes us different from the federal government. The federal government is the one propping up the airlines (and other industries), sending out $1,200 checks to most Americans, topping up unemployment insurance with an extra $600/week (if you are fortunate enough to get the system to recognize you are unemployed), helping small businesses cover some expenses and keep their workers on payroll, and so on.</p>
<p class="p4" style="text-align: left;"><span class="s2">If all of us had the currency-issuer power of the federal government, then small businesses would look after themselves. The airlines would look after themselves. That’s obviously not how it works. State and local governments are begging the federal government for assistance. Governors and mayors across the country have been saying to Congress, “We need your help.” The reason is that state and local governments—like households and private businesses—can’t issue the currency. We’re all trapped in the same position, vis-à-vis the currency. We are all <i>users</i> of the dollar. The federal government is in an elevated position; it’s the issuer of the currency. It can do what the rest of us can’t do.</span></p>
<p class="p4" style="text-align: left;"><span class="s2"><b>Levinson</b>: Why isn’t the fact that the U.S. government is going to accrue trillions of dollars of debt a burden on future generations?</span></p>
<p class="p4" style="text-align: left;"><span class="s2"><b>Kelton</b>: The deficit hawks try to convince us that at some point, it has to be paid back, and that the bill is going to fall on the rest of us. That’s not the case at all. Calling this thing the national debt is a big problem. What’s really happening is that the government is basically making some of its payments with interest-bearing dollars. We call those dollars U.S. Treasuries. Unfortunately, we call the entire stockpile of these financial instruments the national debt. And the word “debt” creates all sorts of unnecessary anxiety in people. It reminds people of their credit card debt, their car payment, their student loan debt, their mortgage, and they say, “Well, debt can be dangerous. I don’t want to be in debt. I don’t want too much debt. My country is in debt, so that’s bad.”</span></p>
<p class="p4" style="text-align: left;"><span class="s2"><b>Levinson</b>: Are there limits to the deficit? Can the government just spend in an unrestrained manner? </span></p>
<p class="p4" style="text-align: left;"><span class="s2"><b>Kelton</b>: There are limits. If I had to describe the <strong>Modern Monetary Theory (MMT)</strong> project in a single sentence, I would say it is about replacing an artificial <i>revenue</i> constraint with a real <i>inflation</i> constraint. So there are limits. But the limit is not a predetermined numerical level or a percentage of the budget. There is no strict financial constraint. A currency-issuing government can afford to buy whatever is priced and available for sale in its own currency. The limit is the impact of the spending. Not the spending itself, and not the deficit—the limit is inflation. That is central to MMT.</span></p>
<p class="p4" style="text-align: left;"><span class="s2">I would go further and say that no school of macroeconomic thought treats inflation more seriously than MMT. We place it at the center of the analytic framework. Inflation is the binding constraint. We also face ecological constraints. Just because we can extract fossil fuels and other forms of carbon-emitting, polluting sources of energy doesn’t mean we should do that. No one who has studied MMT can claim that MMT advocates unlimited spending. MMT is about identifying the real limits, and not cowering in fear of running out of money or adding to the deficit. </span></p>
<p class="p4" style="text-align: left;"><span class="s2"><b>Levinson</b>: In your book, you claim that misplaced emphasis on the fiscal deficit covers up other deficits that we should be really concerned about. What do you mean by that? </span></p>
<p class="p4" style="text-align: left;"><span class="s2"><b>Kelton</b>: Today, there is a yearning to return to normal. But what did normal, before the pandemic, look like? Several trillion dollars of needed repairs in our <strong>crumbling infrastructure</strong>. Normal was 87 million Americans who either didn’t have <strong>health insurance</strong> or were underinsured. Normal was 500,000 medical-related <strong><em>bankruptcies</em></strong> every single year in this country. Normal was 40 million people living in <strong>poverty.</strong> Normal was millions of people who aren’t prepared for retirement; who can’t afford to send their kids to school or can’t pay back their <strong>student loan debt</strong>. Normal was 40 percent of families not having $400 set aside to handle an unexpected financial emergency. Normal was a great city like Flint, Michigan, not having safe water. These are the deficits that matter. Those are the kinds of shortfalls that I wish that we were all worried about. </span></p>
<p class="p4" style="text-align: left;"><span class="s2"><b>Levinson</b>: Explain MMT and why you become a supporter.</span></p>
<p class="p4" style="text-align: left;"><span class="s2"><b>Kelton</b>: When I first started writing about and researching government finance, public money, and the deficit, there was nothing called MMT. That label emerged later. </span></p>
<p style="text-align: left;">I was in graduate school, studying economics in the mid-1990s at Cambridge University, when I won a fellowship to the Levy Economics Institute. An economist named <strong>Randall Wray</strong> was there, and he was someone I had studied under, briefly, before starting my program at Cambridge. He was working on a book called <strong><i>Understanding Modern Money</i></strong>, and that’s when I really started to dig into a lot of this stuff. I found the ideas both jarring and fascinating. It was very different from what I had learned as an undergrad studying economics, and what I had learned as a graduate student at Cambridge. Reading early drafts of Wray’s work, and also the writings of <strong>Warren Mosler,</strong> led me to begin my own research into the mechanics of monetary operations. I wanted to get down in the weeds and understand exactly how the Treasury and the Fed coordinate their payments. I started reading and researching and talking to people at the Treasury and Fed, and [after] maybe six months or so, I came to understand how government finance really works.</p>
<p class="p4" style="text-align: left;">At that point, I realized that some of the more jarring parts of MMT—<a href="https://newrepublic.com/article/158221/government-can-afford-anythi-wants" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">like the claim that the federal government doesn’t spend “taxpayer money</a>”—were sound. I worked through the mechanics and I could see that Wray and Mosler had the sequencing right: the government spends first and then taxes or borrows. Taxes weren’t paying for anything! That was totally new to me. I had been trained to believe that the government needs our money, and that the purpose of taxing and borrowing was to help the government raise revenue to pay its bills. That’s how I was trained to think about these things. But once I persuaded myself that the sequencing that I had been taught was wrong, that the government (or one of its agents) has to spend or lend the dollars into existence before anybody can use them to pay taxes or buy government bonds, then it just flipped my worldview around. I started seeing the federal government as the issuer of the currency, and everything follows from that.</p>
<p class="p4" style="text-align: left;"><span class="s2"><b>Levinson</b>: Within the progressive economic community there is a debate between progressive, or left, Keynesians and some adherents of MMT. Many progressive economists argue that they arrive at the same policy conclusions as you but they don’t need MMT to get there.</span></p>
<p class="p4" style="text-align: left;"><span class="s2"><b>Kelton</b>: </span>It’s one thing to be right. It’s another thing to be right for the right reasons. Because if you’re right for the right reasons, there’s a higher probability that you will continue to get things right, because you’re operating with the correct analytical framework. You can be right accidentally, with a traditional <strong>neoclassical economic</strong> framework. You can also use conventional macro to demonstrate what should be intuitively obvious, like showing that austerity in the midst of a depression is bad policy, as people like <strong>Paul Krugman</strong> did during the Great Recession. Of course, MMT economists were also pressing lawmakers to embrace larger deficits. That wasn’t exactly a difficult call. But what about getting the harder things right? For example, the euro. <a href="https://www.ft.com/content/97cdd71c-7d3e-11e9-81d2-f785092ab560" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">MMT economists</a> were in a distinct minority, warning years before the euro was officially launched that giving up sovereign currencies in favor of a common currency would create default risk and raise the potential for a debt crisis—exactly what happened in countries like Italy, Spain, and Greece. Krugman’s model didn’t help him see that coming, because it didn’t account for the importance of currency regimes in analyzing the limits on government borrowing.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">Or what about the budget surpluses during the Clinton years? Or the Bush tax cuts? Or the Trump tax cuts? While MMTers warned that the Clinton surpluses were unsustainable and that the tax cuts posed no risk to the government’s finances, Krugman was talking about deficits driving up interest rates and warning that that the United States could end up like Greece. He <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/11/opinion/paul-krugman-japans-economy-crippled-by-caution.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">wrote</a> about being <a href="https://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/07/16/italy-versus-japan/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">puzzled</a> by the fact that Japan could borrow at extremely low interest rates, despite having the world’s largest public debt, while the Italian government faced rates that were five times as high, even though their debt-to-GDP ratio was substantially lower. MMTers were never puzzled by the divergence in borrowing costs. To us, the answer was obvious. One country (Japan) was borrowing its own sovereign currency, and the other (Italy) had abandoned its sovereign currency and was now obligated to repay bondholders in a currency (the euro) that it could no longer issue. That’s at the core of MMT: it is about <strong>monetary sovereignty</strong>. If you understand the difference, then you understand that countries with a high degree of monetary sovereignty don’t have to be fearful of deficits raising borrowing costs and pushing a country into bankruptcy. Krugman missed all of this stuff. I believe that after he met Mosler (I have a very nice photo of him holding Mosler’s book), Krugman’s views began to shift. A couple of years after writing about the “puzzling” difference between Japan and Italy, he <a href="https://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/10/19/do-currency-regimes-matter/" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">wrote</a> a piece explaining that currency regimes appear to explain the difference. He was adopting more MMT. In his writings you could see him inching closer and closer to where we had been a decade earlier.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">I’ll give you one more example of a big policy conclusion that I think MMT economists got right and more mainstream <strong>Keynesian economists</strong> got wrong. In November 2017, <strong>Larry Summers</strong> was all over the media warning that if the Republicans succeeded in passing the Trump tax cuts, the United States would end up “living on a shoestring for decades to come.” He warned that Congress would be unable to use fiscal policy in the event of a military crisis or to respond to the next recession. But look where we are. The coronavirus came, and Congress immediately started using fiscal policy to support the economy, adding trillions of dollars to the deficit. This idea that the deficits of the past somehow constrain the ability of Congress to commit to more spending in the present (or future) was just wrong.</p>
<p class="p4" style="text-align: left;"><span class="s2"><b>Levinson</b>: But it’s not just economists like Krugman and Summers. Many more heterodox economists agree with your policy conclusions but don’t adopt MMT.</span></p>
<p class="p4" style="text-align: left;"><span class="s2"><b>Kelton</b>: I have spent literally zero hours of my professional career critiquing the work of other heterodox economists. None. That’s not my interest. I’m out to challenge the mainstream, not my heterodox friends, whether they’re Marxists or institutionalists or post-Keynesians. It is true that we often reach similar policy conclusions, but we get there using different analytical frameworks. Sometimes, I think they arrive at the right conclusion for the wrong reasons. But I don’t go around criticizing them for not adopting our framework.</span></p>
<p class="p4" style="text-align: left;"><span class="s2"><b>Levinson</b>: The mainstream of the economics profession seems to have moved a lot on the issue of the deficit. Last year the president of the American Economic Association, <strong>Olivier Blanchard</strong>, gave a speech in which he <a href="https://www.piie.com/newsroom/short-videos/olivier-blanchard-benefits-and-costs-public-debt" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">argued</a> that concerns about public debt have been exaggerated; Summers and <strong>Jason Furman</strong> wrote an important anti-austerity piece in <a href="https://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/2019-01-27/whos-afraid-budget-deficits" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><i>Foreign Affairs</i></a>. Yet one of the premier Keynesian economists of our time, <strong>Robert Skidelsky</strong>, recently wrote in an <a href="https://www.project-syndicate.org/onpoint/new-fiscal-constitution-job-guarantee-by-mariana-mazzucato-and-robert-skidelsky-2020-07?barrier=accesspaylog" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer">essay</a> with <strong>Mariana Mazzucato</strong> that there is “little evidence that any new fiscal thinking is underway.” How would you characterize the current moment?</span></p>
<p class="p4" style="text-align: left;"><span class="s2"><b>Kelton</b>: That line about the lack of new fiscal thinking grabbed me as well. I think there’s a lot of evidence! You cite some of it. Skidelsky, for example, has recently become an outspoken advocate for a job guarantee. And Mazzucato has been doing great work on climate change and the importance of public investment as a catalyst for innovation. She has a new book coming out where, I think it’s fair to say, she treats my arguments in a very sympathetic way. In that same essay, they wrote, “The state must be given a permanent, continuing role in guiding, stabilizing, and if need be, transforming economic life. Intervening only in bad times to fix the system guarantees another crisis.” That is exactly the kind of new thinking we need!</span></p>
<p class="p4" style="text-align: left;"><span class="s2"><b>Levinson</b>: You were part of the Biden–Sanders unity task force. They just issued their report. How much of your analysis is embodied in those recommendations? </span></p>
<p class="p4" style="text-align: left;"><span class="s2"><b>Kelton</b>: </span>Some. You will see in there a couple of paragraphs about reforming the federal budgeting process. This is crucial if we are going to do something big on climate or infrastructure. The way the budget process currently works is that you send the bill over to CBO, and ask them to score it. CBO then tells lawmakers whether (and by how much) it will add to the deficit and increase the national debt over time.</p>
<p class="p4" style="text-align: left;"><span class="s2">This process is designed to elicit the least useful feedback you could possibly ask for. I think we all understand that the incoming administration is going to be facing numerous crises that are going to require the presence of large fiscal deficits for an indeterminate period of time. We cannot afford to return to the “pay for” game, where lawmakers refuse to do anything that adds to the deficit. And so how do you accomplish that? How do you make sure that the incoming administration isn’t hamstrung by “pay as you go” budgeting rules, or CBO, or whatever? Because it will be much harder to pass legislation if Democrats are only willing to do things that will satisfy the scorekeepers over at CBO. The task force recommendations include some language about how to begin to think about alternative metrics by which to evaluate proposed spending. </span></p>
<p class="p4" style="text-align: left;"><span class="s2"><b>Levinson</b>: Is the job guarantee in there? </span></p>
<p class="p4" style="text-align: left;"><span class="s2"><b>Kelton</b>: No, not a guarantee. But there is some language in there about direct job creation of the kind that was undertaken by FDR in the New Deal. That leans—a little bit—into the MMT proposal for public service employment. I think we’re ultimately going to need something as bold as what MMT advocates, but you could fill jars with the sweat that went into getting the language we got into the recommendations document.</span></p>
<p class="p4" style="text-align: left;"><span class="s2"><b>Levinson</b>: In the <a href="https://www.ft.com/content/74448b70-b144-11ea-a4b6-31f1eedf762e" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"><span class="s4"><i>Financial Times</i></span></a><i>,</i> <strong>Martin Wolf</strong> said this about your book: “In my view, it is right and wrong. It is right, because there is no simple budget constraint. It is wrong, because it will prove impossible to manage an economy sensibly once politicians believe there is no budget constraint.” </span></p>
<p class="p4" style="text-align: left;"><span class="s2"><b>Kelton</b>: I thought that was an extraordinary statement. I believe in democracy. MMT is not granting any new powers or authorities to Congress. Congress knows that it has the power of the purse. The idea that MMT is letting the cat out of the bag and somehow opening us up to new vulnerabilities—I just don’t understand. What I think the book does is attempt to clear away the myths and misunderstandings about deficits and debt. If someone confronts their elected representatives and says, “Why aren’t you doing more to get clean water to this district? Or to get infrastructure repaired?” and their representative responds, “I’d love to be able to help on that, but we’ve got this big deficit. And we have this enormous debt that needs to be paid off,” I want people who read the book to understand that this is an evasion. I want people to understand that the deficit and the national debt are not obstacles to progress and that our government can always afford to fund its priorities. The aim of the book is to empower citizens with a truer understanding of what’s possible and what the limits are. Let’s be honest with the people and then hold the politicians accountable at the ballot box.</span></p>
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<p style="text-align: left;"><strong>Mark Levinson</strong> is Chief Economist of the Service Employees International Union (SEIU) and the book review editor at <em>Dissent</em>.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;"><strong>Stephanie Kelton</strong> is a professor of economics and public policy at Stony Brook University. She is a leading expert on Modern Monetary Theory, a former Chief Economist on the U.S. Senate Budget Committee, and the author of the <em>New York Times</em> bestseller <span class="s2"><i>The Deficit Myth. </i></span></p>
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